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Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Thread Started on Feb 23, 2009, 8:21pm »
Now i could have sworn there was a thread for this topic...
so with the three kingdoms majorly being portrayed through the medium of anime, it's nice once in a while to have real film with seamingly real battles. Red cliff looks way awesome - like seeing DW battles only in real life. and the boats SINK!! look at them burn, combust and SINK!!
Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #1 on Feb 23, 2009, 9:10pm »
amazing movie, truly amazing movie, if you read the last movie I've seen topic, you would have known that I just watched the second part today. Omg I loved it. I was kind of hoping (before they made the first one) that they would have chosen Tony Leung as Zhuge instead of Zhou but I liked him as Zhou too. I think the cast is awesome, SSX was really cute in the second part lol "piggy" hehe ^_^ I saw it on dramacrazy.net awesome awesome movies ^_^ I really hope they do more battles, preferably with the same cast.
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Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #2 on Feb 24, 2009, 10:22pm »
im watching it this weekend. expect to see a review coming up about it.
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Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #5 on Mar 1, 2009, 11:37am »
I was pretty distracted in Part 1 by the longing looks that BFF Zhuge and Zhou Yu were throwing at each other....and the completely unattractive Qiao. Cao Cao was quite awesome.
I'll have to check out Part 2, because I wasn't really that thrilled with the first installment. It was MUCH better than the Zhao YUn movie though.
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Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #6 on Mar 1, 2009, 5:26pm »
Ugh "Resurrection of the Dragon" was HORRIBLE. I watched it last night and it wanted to make me cry. DAMN YOU DANIEL LEE!
Anyway, the second part of the movie of Red Cliff was better. You should finish it Candi. I agree that the first part didn't rocked so much; i think they were just trying to set the scene (and sure as hell took long to do it).
It's funny how you said that Xiao Qiao's actor is unattractive, because she's a model ;PPPPP I heard it was her first time acting too.
Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #7 on Mar 1, 2009, 6:35pm »
I agree, Qiao wasn't portrayed very good, I mean she is supposed to be attractive for Cao Cao to want her so... why her? I thought SSX was much cuter haha
Zhao Yun movie made me want to throw a rock at the screen, I didn't really like it. I mean it was okay, but nothing at all what I was hoping for.
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Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #8 on Mar 15, 2009, 1:39pm »
So what i am getting from the above ^^^ TsaoTsao = awesome red cliff episode 1 = zhouyu and zhugeliang staring contest Xiao Qiao fails to fill the beauty/attractive quota, but SSX helps to fill that void with cuteness?
and apparently there's japanese actors in the movie... are the fight scenes(if any) good?
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Re: Red Cliff (motion picture FILM) « Reply #11 on Oct 5, 2009, 8:11pm »
My thoughts from another board:
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Just watched the movie (part one last night, part two today) and I wanted to share my thoughts.
First of all it was a lot better then I feared it would be. I have very little experience with Chinese cinema (watched a couple of movies) so maybe I don't have enougth experience to say but this was a great movie. I did have some problems with the writing in a few places, and the director seems to like freeze shots way too much (seriously, I thought the DVD was on the fritz during all of the freeze shots during the Zhuge-Zhou guqin duel and the battle with the Wei cavalry) but still pretty good. Zhao Yun and Guan Yu are totally awesome fighters no matter form of media they appear (movies, games, books, cartoons...). I really like the actors playing Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu and they did an awesome job. So did the guy playing Sun Quan. I had some misgivings about Liu Bei's actor, but his portrayal really shone in Chibi II, crafty old fox indeed. Well done. I didn't like how Wei basically had a bunch of incompetents for generals, even though they named Zhang Liao on screen. I mean 'Wei Ben' and 'Xiahou Jun' (though he did have awesome facial hair)? Bad choice on the movie-makers' part. Something I liked was how they showed how brilliant Zhuge was, but it never veered into the realm of MYSTICAL SUPERHUMAN POWERS!!! like in the books. Loved how to played attention to Zhuge's well known odder habits. I almost fell out of my chair at his line to Princess Sun after she knocks Liu Bei out: "Please don't kill my pigeons". Cao Cao's depiction actually varied a bit through out the film, which I appreciated, but they still dumbed/evil'd him in a few places that I didn't like. Cao had some truly ruthless rough spots but he was never EVIL INCARNATE!!! like some scenes made him to be.
I was reading about the movie on the IMDB forums and some of the criticism seemed a little unfair, to me. One I saw repeatedly was that there was no Zhou/Zhuge rivalry. Were they watching the same movie I was? They had a pretty strong rivalry going but it was a subtle thing. Not in your face I-gotta-kill-that-guy (like in the books), more like a battle of wits and minds running under the current. I loved it how that only Zhou saw through Zhuge's humility and correctly guessed what a genius he was. Zhuge displayed this skill many times. I think the friendship between the two may have some people off, but friendship does not not invalidate rivalry. Another was over the Sun Shangxiang undercover plot. I agree it wasn't particularly well done but it wasn't cringe-worthy. A reviewer said that women-as-warriors and whatnot is almost a staple of Chinese war fiction but it has not been done well on screen, I think that it is true. On that note, I knew, almost from the start, that Pit was a dead-man-walking but he when died I still cried a little. The last has to do with Xiao Qiao and the actress playing her. I think the character was done well (espcially for a noivce, as I understand), but her going off to the Wei camp didn't stretch by disbelief as it does for others. I think for me it makes better since when you take it into consideration that XQ is very naive gentle person.
Overall if I had to say what bothered me the most is that at times, and especially in Part I, the movies were little too gratuitous. War is horrible, that is why it should not be waged unless absolutely necessary, but there is no reason to spatter blood everywhere in a movie. I know that blood is part of war, but to be honest I think that American war movies (the ones that are not bloody) convey the exact same feeling with no or very little blood. I also felt the bed scene between Zhou Yu and Xiao Qiao was unnecessary, and to be honest such things are never necessary. At least it was not half as bad as it could have been and was in the confines of marriage (but then I had the movie minimized at the time).
Just watched the movie (part one last night, part two today) and I wanted to share my thoughts.
Reading and commenting on it.
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First of all it was a lot better then I feared it would be. I have very little experience with Chinese cinema (watched a couple of movies) so maybe I don't have enougth experience to say but this was a great movie. I did have some problems with the writing in a few places, and the director seems to like freeze shots way too much (seriously, I thought the DVD was on the fritz during all of the freeze shots during the Zhuge-Zhou guqin duel and the battle with the Wei cavalry) but still pretty good.
I always thought that part 1's screen splitting reminds me of Windows Media Maker. ROFL. Still...the duel was so funny generally because I thought it was Guitar Hero night. XD
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Zhao Yun and Guan Yu are totally awesome fighters no matter form of media they appear (movies, games, books, cartoons...). I really like the actors playing Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu and they did an awesome job. So did the guy playing Sun Quan. I had some misgivings about Liu Bei's actor, but his portrayal really shone in Chibi II, crafty old fox indeed. Well done.
I didn't like how Wei basically had a bunch of incompetents for generals, even though they named Zhang Liao on screen. I mean 'Wei Ben' and 'Xiahou Jun' (though he did have awesome facial hair)? Bad choice on the movie-makers' part.
Still... I was a little cringed at first. The guy who modeled and voiced the Badass Demon Hunter Samanosuke from Onimusha became... ZHUGGERS.
Yeah, they should have some characters even the Musouteers can understand... I mean, Gan Xing?... IT'S GAN NING. GAN.... NEEEEENG... Only part is that Xing had to die in the movie. Ningers lived until... Yi Ling. D:
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Something I liked was how they showed how brilliant Zhuge was, but it never veered into the realm of MYSTICAL SUPERHUMAN POWERS!!! like in the books. Loved how to played attention to Zhuge's well known odder habits. I almost fell out of my chair at his line to Princess Sun after she knocks Liu Bei out "Please don't kill my pigeons." Cao Cao's depiction actually varied a bit through out the film, which I appreciated, but they still dumbed/evil'd him in a few places that I didn't like. Cao had some truly ruthless rough spots but he was never EVIL INCARNATE!!! like some scenes made him to be.
.... To be honest, I never knew you'd like this incarnation of Zhuge Liang... XD He did well.
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I was reading about the movie on the IMDB forums and some of the criticism seemed a little unfair, to me. One I saw repeatedly was that there was no Zhou/Zhuge rivalry. Were they watching the same movie I was? They had a pretty strong rivalry going but it was a subtle thing. Not in your face I-gotta-kill-that-guy (like in the books), more like a battle of wits and minds running under the current. I loved it how that only Zhou saw through Zhuge's humility and correctly guessed what a genius he was. Zhuge displayed this skill many times. I think the friendship between the two may have some people off, but friendship does not not invalidate rivalry.
XD LOL
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Another was over the Sun Shangxiang undercover plot. I agree it wasn't particularly well done but it wasn't cringe-worthy. A reviewer said that women-as-warriors and whatnot is almost a staple of Chinese war fiction but it has not been done well on screen, I think that it is true. On that note, I knew, almost from the start, that Pit was a dead-man-walking but he when died I still cried a little.
Poor little Pit. XD Yeah, that was a pretty cute sub plot. Still, that badass, tough, and clever girl was better than whatever she was in DW6.
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The last has to do with Xiao Qiao and the actress playing her. I think the character was done well (espcially for a noivce, as I understand), but her going off to the Wei camp didn't stretch by disbelief as it does for others. I think for me it makes better since when you take it into consideration that XQ is very naive gentle person.
Xiao Qiao. Yeah good character... kinda sad that Da Qiao is not there. XD I mean throughout the film, I was actually waiting for her to pop up. XD
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Overall if I had to say what bothered me the most is that at times, and especially in Part I, the movies were little too gratuitous. War is horrible, that is why it should not be waged unless absolutely necessary, but there is no reason to spatter blood everywhere in a movie. I know that blood is part of war, but to be honest I think that American war movies (the ones that are not bloody) convey the exact same feeling with no or very little blood.
Well true. But still, I was pretty astounded on how they actually pwned the enemy with a old school formation. I mean, bloody as it is, you gotta hand the style of strategy on that film.
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I also felt the bed scene between Zhou Yu and Xiao Qiao was unnecessary, and to be honest such things are never necessary. At least it was not half as bad as it could have been and was in the confines of marriage (but then I had the movie minimized at the time).
... I ended up fast forwarding that to make way back to awesome. That sort of remind me of that scene in 300 last night thing, yet RC's was just longer. And more awkward.
The ending kinda fails me, instead of a dramatical ending... Zhou Yu is happy and well, Zhuge Liang got a pony, and it involved Rainbows....
:< Still, you gotta admit. This was A LOT better than RotD.
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